tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post8177339009997712623..comments2023-06-10T20:22:01.348+08:00Comments on The Society of Honor by Joe America: Habits, Discipline, PassionThe Society of Honorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-91630700957372595462013-01-08T13:15:19.736+08:002013-01-08T13:15:19.736+08:00Thanks, Top10. Yes, I see my son learning his bibl...Thanks, Top10. Yes, I see my son learning his bible verses by heart and understand he is developing a discipline that I never developed. But I also teach him to reach with his mind. He made me immensely proud the other day when he was observing the cars on the highway to Tacloban, and pointed out that some were mean and some were happy and some were sad, based on the shape of the headlights. He is four.<br /><br />Your final paragraph goes well in the discussion on today's blog about the burdens of women, and OFW families, who are split up.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-41722722836733108242013-01-08T11:49:28.283+08:002013-01-08T11:49:28.283+08:00While I hope you have many of your own children to...While I hope you have many of your own children to mentor and provide for their independent thinking, I am thankful that you reach out to all peoples with your insights, clarity, provocation and wisdom. <br /><br />Gimmicks, I agree. Learning by rote does have its practical advantages i.e. calculations when shopping yet to live as a humanoid robot would perhaps be akin to becoming a 'Google Android,' rather than embracing changes in world and indeed humanity and utilizing a popcorn kernel for food or an operating system for progressive awareness. <br /><br />I saw the moon 20 feet away, made of cheese with a cow hit by a golf ball in the year of the Miracle Mets, yet when I realized explorers are of a different cloth, it did not end the search within that is perhaps uniquely coupled to all, a paradox that serves to connect all living creatures both alive and dead. anon...manilatop10https://www.blogger.com/profile/16605085011907147454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-31711609214204095542012-12-31T15:03:56.514+08:002012-12-31T15:03:56.514+08:00manilatop10, good of you to visit. Thanks for the ...manilatop10, good of you to visit. Thanks for the chuckle. I think about reciting your chant upon awakening, and I think I would get to the end of the first chant and start throwing in some swear words. Someimes good intentions get gimmicky. The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-45002314735169766952012-12-31T14:03:01.429+08:002012-12-31T14:03:01.429+08:00You practice what you preach and I commend you for...You practice what you preach and I commend you for that, not that you require any outside endorsements ;) One chant that I recall NoT working for me was 'having' to say "Boy am I enthusiastic" 3times upon awakening yet the power of positivity can indeed provide an edge at times, something I should remember more frequently.manilatop10https://www.blogger.com/profile/16605085011907147454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-70363929393787884032012-12-29T22:04:42.172+08:002012-12-29T22:04:42.172+08:001. The first conceit that strikes me is that monst...1. The first conceit that strikes me is that monsters will not rise up "if you do not carry them in your soul".<br /><br />1.1. My journey has been absolutely peppered with demons internal and external. But there has been pleasure and joy too. Same as Odysseus.<br /><br />2. The second conceit that strikes me is that it is the journey, and not the destination, that is important. Ithaca has "given you the beautiful voyage" and "has nothing more to give you". And "if you find her poor", you "must surely have understood by then what Ithacas mean".<br /><br />2.1 Are those last two words a typo? Should it be what "Ithaca means"?<br />2.2 What am I to deduce? That "the end is a beautiful mirage - that leads us on through many adventures - but it is nevertheless a mirage"? Or that Ithaca is simply "home"? I think "home" is better from the viewpoint of exhausted Odysseus. <br />2.3 In our end is our beginning. This is a restatement of Eliot's, "...We shall not cease from exploration...". There is mystery in this poem's ending as to what it all means. The meaning is personal, whatever one has brought "home". I like the wonder and surprise in Eliot's revelation: "to see the place for the first time".<br /><br />Thanks, Cha.Edgar Loreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363554010485644899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-40587709860633124582012-12-29T20:17:41.359+08:002012-12-29T20:17:41.359+08:00Thanks, this is said so much nicer, it's the j...Thanks, this is said so much nicer, it's the journey full of happiness and surprises. Tao. People are people, 3000 years ago or 6000 miles away, all different, all the same.JosephIvonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-69754786555891618882012-12-29T19:27:57.193+08:002012-12-29T19:27:57.193+08:00That is a most profound poem, Cha. Very good at ce...That is a most profound poem, Cha. Very good at centering the spirit with the mind. Ithaca is still over there beyond the horizon, and the journey is rich, indeed. Still, I better not show the poem to my wife. I'm not sure she'd get past the paragraph about stopping at the Phoenician markets.<br /><br />I put that quote in the right column earlier today. Glad it caught your eye. It seemed pertinent to goings on hereabouts.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-59559541894142306392012-12-29T19:02:53.866+08:002012-12-29T19:02:53.866+08:00I don't do resolutions either. For several yea...I don't do resolutions either. For several years now, my annual year-end ritual has been to revisit, sometimes share with others this poem a friend introduced me to more than twenty years ago: originally written in Greek and inspired by Odysseus' return journey to his home in The Odyssey.(Funny that you also refer to Odysseus up there at the right hand column, by the way. Has that been there for a while or just today?)<br /><br />The poem best captures my own approach to this journey that is called life.<br /><br /><br />Ithaca<br /> <br />When you start on your journey to Ithaca,<br /> then pray that the road is long,<br /> full of adventure, full of knowledge.<br /> Do not fear the Lestrygonians<br /> and the Cyclopes and the angry Poseidon.<br /> You will never meet such as these on your path,<br /> if your thoughts remain lofty, if a fine<br /> emotion touches your body and your spirit.<br /> You will never meet the Lestrygonians,<br /> the Cyclopes and the fierce Poseidon,<br /> if you do not carry them within your soul,<br /> if your soul does not raise them up before you.<br /> <br />Then pray that the road is long.<br /> That the summer mornings are many,<br /> that you will enter ports seen for the first time<br /> with such pleasure, with such joy!<br /> Stop at Phoenician markets,<br /> and purchase fine merchandise,<br /> mother-of-pearl and corals, amber and ebony,<br /> and pleasurable perfumes of all kinds,<br /> buy as many pleasurable perfumes as you can;<br /> visit hosts of Egyptian cities,<br /> to learn and learn from those who have knowledge.<br /> <br />Always keep Ithaca fixed in your mind.<br /> To arrive there is your ultimate goal.<br /> But do not hurry the voyage at all.<br /> It is better to let it last for long years;<br /> and even to anchor at the isle when you are old,<br /> rich with all that you have gained on the way,<br /> not expecting that Ithaca will offer you riches.<br /> <br />Ithaca has given you the beautiful voyage.<br /> Without her you would never have taken the road.<br /> But she has nothing more to give you.<br /> <br />And if you find her poor, Ithaca has not defrauded you.<br /> With the great wisdom you have gained, with so much experience,<br /> you must surely have understood by then what Ithacas mean.<br /> <br />-K. P. Kavafis (C. P. Cavafy), translation by Rae DalvenChanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-20126283650013523202012-12-29T18:30:44.550+08:002012-12-29T18:30:44.550+08:00Nice dissection of the issue. Yes, I agree with al...Nice dissection of the issue. Yes, I agree with all of that. I suppose one could develop a discipline, much like the Japanese way "Ask why 5 times" to get to the real reason for something. Only it would be "Kindly tell me why you are not stupid 5 times"), for those who denigrate your ideas. Then react.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-11761373683103501802012-12-29T17:46:52.039+08:002012-12-29T17:46:52.039+08:00Let me analyze that "non-judgmental" fur...Let me analyze that "non-judgmental" further.<br /><br />1. When we talk of ideas, I have no problem making a call after researching, analyzing, and all of that that goes into making a rational decision. I believe my "compass" is calibrated and re-calibrated often enough to point to true North.<br /><br />2. My difficulty is being non-judgmental about the people who I think cling to "wrong" ideas. The mind tends to identify the person with the idea, and to condemn one is to condemn both. This is alright when it comes to "obvious" matters like bishops and the use of condoms but it is difficult when it comes to, say, whole systems of belief that are not inclusive.<br /><br />3. You tend to lose the humanity of the person behind the idea and, in short time, they become the label - communist, Republican, terrorist or dynast. And you cannot help but see that person diminished in your sight.<br /><br />4. Of course, the reverse is true, not even in terms of ideas but simple gifts. Give a person a four-wheel drive and he will believe that you can walk on water.<br /><br />5. I agree on the difficulty of detachment when you are in the wrong. Again, it has to do with identity. We are the idea we believe or think is right. Mein Gott, I am right and I will not shift come hell or high water!Edgar Loreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363554010485644899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-39227860068724465322012-12-29T12:58:45.024+08:002012-12-29T12:58:45.024+08:00Well, I have to be argumentative. You appear to ha...Well, I have to be argumentative. You appear to have two principles, and they are superb. You are also braver than I am, regarding 2.3. I find that I need lifelines or anchors or places to come back home to. Your concluding remark is sooo true. It is a much richer place if we welcome variety rather than try to hammer others into our shape.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-49305087357112117732012-12-29T12:03:42.010+08:002012-12-29T12:03:42.010+08:00Thanks for making us think. I don't do resolut...Thanks for making us think. I don't do resolutions too. I don’t do principles neither, I do:<br />1- Pursuit happiness as opposite to being numb, frustrated, angry.<br />1.1- Found a happy partner being factor number one, by far. Thank you Philippines for the kind of happiness you create so masterfully and for the one Filipina willing to share with me.<br />1.2 - Recognize my blessings and that blessings are relative or I recognize there were times or are people less fortunate. <br />1.3- Create circumstances, when music makes me happy, I go to a concert.<br />1-4- Practise my daily serenity prayer: “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference” <br /><br />2- Search for surprise and serendipity opposite of comfort, repetitiveness<br />2.1- Move: I lived 2 years or more in 7 countries on 3 continents, had to speak 4 languages. <br />2.2- Experiment: I worked 2 years or more in education, manufacturing, petro-chemical industry, building industry, steel industry, automotive industry, electronics, civil service. Worked as teacher, maintenance supervisor, start-ups engineer, design engineer, production manager, quality manager, program manager and consulting. Worked for multinationals, family owned companies, the government, independent, in networks. <br />2.3- Don’t plan / avoid principles / but recognise opportunities and dare to jump in the deep.<br /><br />Nice to see that people are different in objectives, style, experiences... and still able to work at common projets. JosephIvonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-32792240298825671712012-12-29T10:52:50.326+08:002012-12-29T10:52:50.326+08:00I make it a point to recite the Panatang Makabayan...I make it a point to recite the Panatang Makabayan every morning, after coffee. For those of you who don't know what this is, here goes:<br /><br />Iniibig ko ang Pilipinas<br />Ito ang aking lupang sinilangan<br />Ito ang tahanan ng aking lahi<br />Ako ay kanyang kinukupkop at tinutulungan<br />Upang maging malakas, maligaya at kapakipakinabang<br />Bilang ganti, diringgin ko ang payo ng aking mga magulang<br />Susundin ko ang mga tuntunin ng aking paaralan<br />Tutuparin ko ang mga tungkulin ng isang mamamayang makabayan at masunurin sa batas<br />Paglilingkuran ko ang aking bayan nang walang pag-iimbot at nang buong katapatan<br />Sisikapin kong maging isang tunay na Pilipino sa isip, sa salita, at sa gawa.Proud Pinoynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-51945410760318738032012-12-29T10:50:05.837+08:002012-12-29T10:50:05.837+08:00Well, you are among the most disciplined of people...Well, you are among the most disciplined of people, well grounded in intellectual and emotional maturity. So well worth listening to, or reading.<br /><br />I follow some of the nattering of youth debating divorce on Rappler and note the depth that self justification enters into the debate. Somewhere in the principles should be floating free of self engagement, whilst being totally engaged. So in that regard, I don't believe in being "non-judgmental", for in making judgments, we are merely citing the gap between real and ideal in our eyes, with the good intent of pushing evermore toward ideal. But we ought to do that detached from judgment of self, in all the ways it crops up. Like, usually, defensive. THAT's no easy trick.<br /><br />I find the biggest tests of principle are people-bound, inefficiency and sloth and sloppiness. And I abide by the principle that when one is life-threatened, the other principles are worth bending or abandoning.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-73860703844233645272012-12-29T10:12:49.860+08:002012-12-29T10:12:49.860+08:001. A friend once quoted this to me: “Principles ha...1. A friend once quoted this to me: “Principles have no real force except when one is well-fed”. Hmm, yes. And I consider him to be a principled man.<br /><br />2. The principles of nature, from the time of Aristotle to the time of Newton, were supposed to be eternal. Even Einstein said, “God does not play dice with the universe.”<br /><br />3. This rigidity in the perception of what truth consists of has governed religion - and science - for some time now.<br /><br />4. And yet when we come to the limits of observation, we do not find easily-defined principle but relativity and indeterminacy. And we come to the logical fallacy and contradiction of postmodernism which says that “Nothing is absolute”.<br /><br />5. In my personal life, I try to arrive at “first principles”. Broadly, these principles are:<br /><br />5.1 The freedoms we enjoy as detailed in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.<br />5.2 The ethical laws contained in the essay, “The Seven Commandments of Secular Ethics”.<br />5.3 Loosely, the separation of Church and State, the search for enlightenment, and the necessity for reflection and solitude.<br /><br />6. The principle I find hardest to observe is that of doing no harm, specifically that of being non-judgmental. The mind is an absolute beast.<br /><br />7. The real tests of principles are, of course, hunger (the first temptation of Christ: miracle) and the million-dollar proposition (the second and third temptations: narcissism and wealth/power combined).<br /><br />8. I believe I am immune and would not succumb to the second test (Easy to say - hah!). But I pray that I am not put to the first test.Edgar Loreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363554010485644899noreply@blogger.com