tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post7190972093180101211..comments2023-06-10T20:22:01.348+08:00Comments on The Society of Honor by Joe America: Five Reasons Why Catholic Vote Philippines Should Be IgnoredThe Society of Honorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-35809553720620701822013-03-09T03:58:20.428+08:002013-03-09T03:58:20.428+08:00The evil of RH bill is legalizing adultery, fornic...The evil of RH bill is legalizing adultery, fornication, others while the issue of corrupt officials is debatable. The corrupt always steal in a form of ghost project, over-budget project and they always hide their immoral act. Rh bill is legalizing corruption that thou shall not commit adultery. By the way the definition of corruption is the deviation from the ideal. WE should not delete the 6th commandment or thou shall not commit adultery from the natural law. My no. 1 issue is rh bill becuase it is related to life because if you have no life you can talk other issues like mining, discrimination, others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-48188920007238762762013-03-06T15:46:12.041+08:002013-03-06T15:46:12.041+08:00Ethnic cleansing and insults in congress and in th...Ethnic cleansing and insults in congress and in the media about Reproductive health, sounds like a bit of a stretch! No one holds that the Church should be free from criticism, i am saying this was a backlash of that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-85597228562376670552013-03-06T07:47:03.137+08:002013-03-06T07:47:03.137+08:00Your comment actually reminds me of the worse-than...Your comment actually reminds me of the worse-than-acerbic language used by certain clergy. "Ethnic cleansing" comes to mind. Politics is a mud-pit. It is attack, defend, spin, attack, promote. The Church dirties herself by descending into this pit, and it is not reasonable for you to hold the Church up for reverential treatment whilst allowing her an open, tax-free right to criticize.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-52860875905066316502013-03-06T07:41:38.124+08:002013-03-06T07:41:38.124+08:00Partly true but before casting judgement on that m...Partly true but before casting judgement on that move by the diocese you may want to read what the Vatican has written regarding The Participation of Catholics in Political Life: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20021124_politica_en.html<br /><br />Also you may want to be reminded of the acerbic language used by many lawmakers against the clergy during the time of the debates on RH. This is merely a backlash of the railroading of that bill. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-404064540229706852013-03-06T07:38:28.568+08:002013-03-06T07:38:28.568+08:00Dear Andrew,
I am afraid you mis-identify the move...Dear Andrew,<br />I am afraid you mis-identify the move of the Bacolod diocese with the CVP (Catholic Vote Philippines) formed last December. Without going into details, the CVP is not an endorsement/only Catholic voting movement. It is a grassroots voters awareness program that will re-enforce and give the average Catholic voter and tool to screen ethical and moral candidates regardless of religious affiliation. CVP is realistic in its objectives. It does not pretend to tackle all ethical issues that candidates may be subject to. It will only tackle issues that, what the Church teaches, are non-compromisable ethical and moral postions and these specifically pertain to life, marriage and family. The basic premise is that integrity is presupposed by uncompromising moral principles and if a candidate can compromise on these moral principles, then smaller ethical concerns can easily be given up. The average voter has the freedom to weigh, what to them are non-compromisable moral concerns and vote according to this. The objection to a Catholic vote is an objection to what it isn't more than to what it is. Admittedly, many in the Church have also propagated this mentality which is not in accordance with Church teaching, i.e. endorsing specific candidates.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-88400653114488117712013-02-26T19:39:39.188+08:002013-02-26T19:39:39.188+08:00Sadly, that move by the Diocese of Bacolod is SO c...Sadly, that move by the Diocese of Bacolod is SO contrary to the current Pope's teachings.Jhttp://thenutbox.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-58173542426343575562013-02-26T15:08:29.361+08:002013-02-26T15:08:29.361+08:00"cantankerous" (adj) disagreeable to dea..."cantankerous" (adj) disagreeable to deal with; contentious; peevish: a cantankerous, argumentative man. <br /><br />Works for me, but they probably need a noun, so perhaps we could go with "curmudgeon" thought I prefer "drone". (As when I snore, sleeping, or ramble on whilst blogging."<br /><br />And you would be "catapult", launching your heavy essays over the church walls.<br /><br />Curious, the take-down of the web site.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-5907166894312852502013-02-26T14:59:00.551+08:002013-02-26T14:59:00.551+08:00@Edgar. That's great news. No let-up though. I...@Edgar. That's great news. No let-up though. I believe in the American football term "piling on".<br /><br />@andrew. I've profiled Ramon Magsaysay (see January, "Jun Magsaysay")and will indeed do a profile on Hontiveros.<br /><br />I wonder when the CBCP bishops will finally wake up. With your fine article and that of Fr. Tabora, and others, one would think they might soon grasp that their shrill gameplaying is coming off poorly. THEY are causing the Church to suffer. Not RH or well intentioned pro-RH senators or the best president the Philippines has had in a long long long time. The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-62312562308444634572013-02-26T14:49:48.828+08:002013-02-26T14:49:48.828+08:00If you were to become Pres of the US, "spear&...If you were to become Pres of the US, "spear" would be the Secret Service code for you. JFK's code was "lance". If you were to become a Philippine president, you would be code named "Matulis". ha ha ha<br /><br />They would probably give Joe the code name "cantankerous". ha ha ha <br /><br />I am curious why they took down the Facebook and website of the Catholic Vote Philippines which I used as references for this essay. <br /><br />Redesigning it or are they having internal trouble? andrew limhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930606943449452056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-87234020672222340812013-02-26T14:43:36.176+08:002013-02-26T14:43:36.176+08:00You're welcome. There is a discussion on this ...You're welcome. There is a discussion on this in Fr Tabora's blog where I posted a summary of this essay. Fr Tabora cites a siege mentality among some Catholics and it results in a fundamentalist approach to things. andrew limhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930606943449452056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-57745140006551338212013-02-26T14:41:45.243+08:002013-02-26T14:41:45.243+08:00It seems dividing candidates into "team Patay...It seems dividing candidates into "team Patay" and "team Buhay" has no effect. But Magsaysay, Hontiveros need help. As for Madrigal, all I remember is her battlecry "walang pami-pamilya, walang kama-kamag-anak" since she has fought everyone in her family (inheritance issues) ha ha ha<br /><br />Maybe Joe can come up with writeups on them? andrew limhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930606943449452056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-86384604277211847472013-02-26T14:00:16.898+08:002013-02-26T14:00:16.898+08:00Would you believe it? Team PNoy dominates in the ...Would you believe it? Team PNoy dominates in the latest SWS survey:<br /><br />http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/365131/team-pnoy-dominates-foes-in-sws-suvery Edgar Loreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363554010485644899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-20032156707549026572013-02-26T11:01:29.841+08:002013-02-26T11:01:29.841+08:00Church is the house of God. God resides in every ...Church is the house of God. God resides in every Filipinos. Their vote is divinely inspired. Church is subliminally sending messages to poor Filipinos. Despite, RHBill won in the polls and in congress. If the Pro-RH congressmen loses, God has a lot explaining to poor Filipinos. And poor Filipinos has a lot explaning to me.Mariano Renatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00920187760151863841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-55878721856020302112013-02-26T10:52:13.284+08:002013-02-26T10:52:13.284+08:00There is a Catholic Vote and there is a Filipino V...There is a Catholic Vote and there is a Filipino Vote. Catholic voters are not internet-ready, Filipino voters are intelligent and plugged in.<br /><br />This coming election is a confidence vote of the Catholic church. This is their last gasp of air.Mariano Renatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00920187760151863841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-91905532959303868762013-02-26T08:52:04.568+08:002013-02-26T08:52:04.568+08:001. Thank you, Andrew, for sounding the alarm.
2. ...1. Thank you, Andrew, for sounding the alarm.<br /><br />2. You provide cogent reasons against the formation of a Catholic vote, and you cite details which can only be provided by someone familiar with the terrain. You have the nous of a political cognoscente.<br /><br />3. My view on the matter is well-known. You are kind enough to say that “there is nothing illegal” with what Bishop Reyes and his minions are doing. I have always said the Church has no business in political affairs. Full stop. <br /><br />3.1 The revelation that the Catholic Vote in the US supported the Romney-Ryan ticket astounds me with the temerity but does not in the least astound me with the lack of judgement.<br /><br />3.2 That Mr Tale would cite this as a reason for his cause threatens to unloose aneurisms in my brain. It proves the same lack of judgement.<br /><br />3.3 Your argument on discrimination alone is sufficient. If non-Catholics behaved as Bishop Reyes would have Catholics behave, the world would not have seen JFK as president, and would have been the much worse off for it.<br /><br />4. Out of curiosity, I googled “Andrew” and the meaning is “man, warrior”. Indeed you are a warrior. That makes me feel happy that you are on the side of truth - and safe.<br /><br />4.1 The Urban Dictionary gives several meanings. The first one is: “Ultra cool, usually hot or at least sort of cute. Awesome sense of style, music, and humor. Sexy, awesome kisser”. <br /><br />4.2 Must have been supplied by your wife. He he he.<br /><br />4.3 The other meanings run in the same vein except that they are not fit for innocent eyes.<br /><br />5. I also googled “Edgar” and verified the meaning is “spear”.<br /><br />5.1 The Urban Dictionary had me in fits: “Such an amazing friend. He’s really confusing at times and hard to understand, but once you get to know the real him you’ll understand. He’s like a big brother to everyone and is the therapist of the group. But even the guy that helps out the most needs help of his own.”<br /><br />5.2 Must have been supplied by an ex. The other meanings are also not fit for innocent eyes.<br /><br />5.2 Where do they get this stuff? Edgar Loreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363554010485644899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-66285200475310449292013-02-26T07:09:24.399+08:002013-02-26T07:09:24.399+08:00Amazing! I didn't know about this alliance, Ca...Amazing! I didn't know about this alliance, Catholic Vote Philippines at all. Thanks Andrew for exposing this.<br /><br />The bishops and those lay keaders are digging their own grave while standing on their wobbly pedestals. The deeper they get, the more the likelihood of them falling over into the abyss. And those politicians they wish to endorse can then finish the job and finally bury them. To rest. So we can have peace.Chanoreply@blogger.com