tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post6435154800666052871..comments2023-06-10T20:22:01.348+08:00Comments on The Society of Honor by Joe America: How Filipino Personal Independence Undermines Community The Society of Honorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-14156429531431074612012-09-04T16:08:57.841+08:002012-09-04T16:08:57.841+08:00Ah, good to know, Andy, that the Embassy does not ...Ah, good to know, Andy, that the Embassy does not bear the full brunt of blame. And it is true, the easy way is the popular way. But the enriching way is often the harder way.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-31398364329873723572012-09-04T15:32:16.548+08:002012-09-04T15:32:16.548+08:00i think we (speaking as a filipino) do get angry a...i think we (speaking as a filipino) do get angry at them for wanting to stay there, not coming back and contributing to our country rather that living it up over there. that's just more of the independence that you've talked about. always looking out for number 1. can't really do that here... but the funny thing is, you put and average Juan in the same situation and he'd do the same thing. flip-flopping abound. we'd rather have it handed to us (overstaying) rather than working hard to get there ourselves (develop our own lands). tsk tsk tsk.<br /><br />Yb-Anderson (Andy)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-57064626591597372062012-09-04T15:21:40.283+08:002012-09-04T15:21:40.283+08:00Agree with Johnny. Humility is also a partner to ...Agree with Johnny. Humility is also a partner to concession.<br /><br />To be able to concede is a true lack of egoic pride that says "I may be (or am) wrong". It is a recognition that others are right.Edgar Loreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363554010485644899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-83393389165524728652012-09-04T13:20:09.486+08:002012-09-04T13:20:09.486+08:00Yes, I am resigned to being stared at and favored ...Yes, I am resigned to being stared at and favored for the rest of my life. Also, it is interesting to me that Filipinos get angered at the US Embassy for making visas so difficult to get. They ought to get angry at their countrymates who, once sampling the American milk and honey, don't want to return to the Philippines. The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-76378639031776620202012-09-04T12:49:08.516+08:002012-09-04T12:49:08.516+08:00"I am not a foreigner, really. This is my hom... "I am not a foreigner, really. This is my home. You inherently draw a line that divides, as do most Filipinos."<br /><br />According to my Ilongga wife the white foreigners will always be foreigners and treated as outsiders. She mentioned that often the "utang na lob" will not be applied to us. Even if we help the families. There is one standard for Filipinos and one standard for kanos. The more I learn about the double standards the more I understand how Filipinos sabotage themselves. They are also not considerate towards each other in the USA by overstaying. The few who come here on a tourist visa will most likely overstay. They end up working illegally: No taxes are payed and jobs are taken away from legal residents. The Filipinos will care only about supporting their own family and will not care about the negative effect of it. The US government will not change it's position of not issuing tourist visas and that will prevent Filipinos to come here. Interestingly most of the Filipinos that are here in New York are over stayers according to my Filipino friends. Some of them are here for many years already. <br />Attilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06669976067539551920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-56656335550680302802012-09-04T07:41:00.907+08:002012-09-04T07:41:00.907+08:00"That ain't true, we the politicians are ..."That ain't true, we the politicians are your masters, behave peons, do what we say" hehehe :) DaveofBacolodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02291541733388291247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-48414316793849843912012-09-04T07:29:19.044+08:002012-09-04T07:29:19.044+08:00@Edgar to most advanced and developed companies it...@Edgar to most advanced and developed companies it is a way of life. Here in the Philippines not so much, The problem is the equity of the spectators. In the Big Urban Areas it ain't a problem but once you go to Visayas and Mindanao it is. And Joe do have a nice suggestion if the sports will be subsidized. The question is who will foot the bill? As i said ABS-CBN tried to do it with MBA but folded nevertheless because costs were too high.<br />DaveofBacolodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02291541733388291247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-36768460261891247302012-09-04T05:41:28.515+08:002012-09-04T05:41:28.515+08:00Ah, MBA. I didn't know there was one. I agree ...Ah, MBA. I didn't know there was one. I agree with Edgar that sport could be an element of a unification strategy. In the U.S., they are commercial paying huge salaries to the entertainers. Maybe here they need to be subsidized and that damn island structure is the pits. The Visayas is widespread and poor. People wouldn't travel to Cebu to watch a game.<br /><br />Maybe we need competing regional "Philippine Idols" where the venue is TV mainly.<br /><br />Sigh . . . The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-70892169599298470092012-09-04T05:35:55.456+08:002012-09-04T05:35:55.456+08:00Yes, that is amusing. We need more Sottos to unify...Yes, that is amusing. We need more Sottos to unify the place. And he is rather a Voldemort kind of character.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-8140164117035411762012-09-04T05:33:54.488+08:002012-09-04T05:33:54.488+08:00Yes, humility. That is important. It is NOT weakne...Yes, humility. That is important. It is NOT weakness. I suppose it is the partner of compassion. It is an ability to set aside the importance of self for the benefit of others. Humility + compassion = courtesy<br /><br />Thanks for the note on political parties.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-29466060529630089842012-09-04T05:20:59.848+08:002012-09-04T05:20:59.848+08:00Edgar, Dave,
Lol, "he who must not be named&...Edgar, Dave,<br /><br />Lol, "he who must not be named" is also a unifying factor at the moment. We'll have to give him credit for that. ;)Chanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-553104399848787412012-09-04T04:59:18.489+08:002012-09-04T04:59:18.489+08:00Forgot to add laws, rules and regulations and the ...Forgot to add laws, rules and regulations and the Constitution serving as common frames of reference too. Sadly, as Joe has written about in another article, Filipinos don't seem to feel about their Consitution the same way Americans do. <br /><br />With laws, rules and regulations, when they're applied differently between the rich and the poor, then there's not much unifying that can really happen where that is concerned, just results to more divisiveness.Chanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-70267840903885315102012-09-04T04:18:47.754+08:002012-09-04T04:18:47.754+08:00Joe,
"The permanent temptation of life is to...Joe,<br /><br />"The permanent temptation of life is to confuse dreams with reality. The permanent defeat of life comes when dreams are surrendered to reality." - James Michener<br /><br />Dave,<br /><br />"All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy".<br /><br />It's not a luxury, it's part of a strategy of development and unification.<br /><br />ay...Edgar Loreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363554010485644899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-85784165792150534682012-09-03T23:31:06.537+08:002012-09-03T23:31:06.537+08:00Joe, I should have added that one recent Raissa bl...Joe, I should have added that one recent Raissa blog discussed the evils of many political parties in the Philippines.<br /><br />Johnny LinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-3856484324301369512012-09-03T23:26:05.337+08:002012-09-03T23:26:05.337+08:00With all those single descriptive words on Filipin...With all those single descriptive words on Filipino unity, you missed one word:<br />Humility.<br /><br />One virtue what every Filipino needs. Being humble will get rid of putting up new association or organization or political party when disenchanted out of selfish interest. Anywhere in the world the Filipinos have set up their diaspora, one common denominator of animosity among them or dispute between themselves is due to absence of humility. Everyone thinks they are above each other's principle resulting to splitting from a successful established organization by creating a new faction. This is also the offshoot of recurring political factions in the Philippines.<br /><br /><br />"Simplicity thru humble beginnings"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-83524822576309757502012-09-03T22:36:59.261+08:002012-09-03T22:36:59.261+08:00@Joe
Yeah they really are the ultimate example of...@Joe <br />Yeah they really are the ultimate example of toys for the big boys since governments will find a hard time scraping for resource allocations in funding locale based teams.<br /><br />You should really research the defunct MBA, although owned by corporations, they are based regionally. The Finals is North vs. South. <br /><br />@Edgar<br />Hopefully our economy improves faster and more equitably so that we can have the money to spend since sport is a luxury, not a necessity :)DaveofBacolodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02291541733388291247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-39996826824567905132012-09-03T21:30:28.461+08:002012-09-03T21:30:28.461+08:00Edgar is that Lord Voldemort? hehehe ;)Edgar is that Lord Voldemort? hehehe ;)DaveofBacolodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02291541733388291247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-75831478090350794122012-09-03T21:14:30.148+08:002012-09-03T21:14:30.148+08:00Cha, on the condition that a certain Senator does ...Cha, on the condition that a certain Senator does not get his wish to shut down social media. Sorry, I cannot mention his name - I tend to foam at the mouth.Edgar Loreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363554010485644899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-65184712213807330582012-09-03T21:10:22.364+08:002012-09-03T21:10:22.364+08:00Funding for sports can partially come from big bus...Funding for sports can partially come from big business, sales of franchises, venue attendance, tv ads, gambling on results, and the sale of sport accessories - shirts, caps, jackets, key rings, etc. Here in Australia, you can see fans proudly dressed in team colors on the day of play.<br /><br />My only fear is that in the Philippines, if people see you wearing the colors of the rival team, you are likely to be mauled and beaten up.<br /><br />But, really, sports is a great unifier. Here and in the US, it has replaced religion as the opium of the people.Edgar Loreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363554010485644899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-64240151460899634382012-09-03T21:06:50.405+08:002012-09-03T21:06:50.405+08:00After thought: I do find it interesting that the P...After thought: I do find it interesting that the Philippine professional basketball league is based on corporate sponsors rather than geographic location, like in the U.S. It is rather like an oligarch's league, eh? Boys and their toys.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-36938000842370372952012-09-03T20:54:32.339+08:002012-09-03T20:54:32.339+08:00Works for me. I think I'll write Ms. Clinton. ...Works for me. I think I'll write Ms. Clinton. Her husband writes me regularly seeking donations for his charity. So we are almost pals.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-2793831071959874282012-09-03T20:25:57.901+08:002012-09-03T20:25:57.901+08:00Yeah I am also for English, like what India did fo...Yeah I am also for English, like what India did for their own. <br /><br />Regarding sports I cringe it since most resources are concentrated on Luzon and far flung provinces will be laggards again :( Although if you remember the defunct MBA that was an excellent vision in part of ABS-CBN sports to embrace every region and compete for pride, although the costs are too high and they have no choice but to disband it.<br /><br />Regarding the relocation of our Capital, I think making Masbate Island the entire Capital Region of the Philippines will be better. The government can finally plan the development and since the island is remote, our honorable Congress will have lesser junkets to go to. Flights should be chartered and scheduled by PAF hehehe :DDaveofBacolodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02291541733388291247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-1915266464860119922012-09-03T20:19:02.831+08:002012-09-03T20:19:02.831+08:00Nah I think most Filipinos will go for practicalit...Nah I think most Filipinos will go for practicality. They know the advantages of being an integral part of the US. And we can be another commonwealth you know, since we clamor for defense and easier entrance to the States :)DaveofBacolodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02291541733388291247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-20178938990495029902012-09-03T19:51:39.637+08:002012-09-03T19:51:39.637+08:00Well, I hold certain musings to myself. One is tha...Well, I hold certain musings to myself. One is that Luzon, the Visayas and Mindanao would make three superb states. I hold it to myself because I don't want to be seen as "subversive" to Philippine independence. Many Filipinos would see that as the ultimate occupation and submission and insult, and they would rather starve or even die than go down that path. Never mind that it would end the senseless visa blockade that stops Filipinos from even visiting the US, would bring law and order, would bring investment and new money of a scale beyond imagination, and would likely solve the China problem. <br /><br />Then when Venezuela and Uruguay becomes provinces of China, it will be tit for tat.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-54100033687409386392012-09-03T19:40:30.831+08:002012-09-03T19:40:30.831+08:00Yes, shared vision and values. Shared experiences....Yes, shared vision and values. Shared experiences. Respect and trust. And I think your idea that the internet can be a way of strengthening unity is correct. As I indicated to Edgar, I want to reflect on this in a separate blog.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.com