tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post5721178861255861419..comments2023-06-10T20:22:01.348+08:00Comments on The Society of Honor by Joe America: Going Outside the Box on DynastiesThe Society of Honorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-43905434112054540002012-11-13T06:04:34.508+08:002012-11-13T06:04:34.508+08:00Ah, okay, I see, yes. I think the U.S. gives but a...Ah, okay, I see, yes. I think the U.S. gives but a pittance in direct aid so I think that is actually the official posture. You do make a good point that China and the Philippines are culturally much better aligned than the Philippines and America. That has been a forced and awkward combination from the getgo in 1898. <br /><br />I do believe, however, the Philippines is working diligently, if staggering now and then, to stand upright. It is up to us hornets to sting it on the ass now and then to keep it moving straight ahead.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-37336803953905485302012-11-13T01:24:45.526+08:002012-11-13T01:24:45.526+08:00Joe:
Yes the US gave up on the Philippines already...Joe:<br />Yes the US gave up on the Philippines already in 1946 or when Estrada kicked the Navy out. My point is that America should cut back on both military and economic support. If they can not stand up on their own than it is time for the Philippines to go with the people and culture they respect and accept and that is China. Attilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06669976067539551920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-89402867074742782642012-11-13T01:13:35.641+08:002012-11-13T01:13:35.641+08:00Turning Korean? Koreans in general don't marr...Turning Korean? Koreans in general don't marry Filippinas as oppose to Chinese. Koreans are clannish and in to themselves. They have no intention either to turn the Philippines in to Korean. Same for the Indians. China however feel that deep connection with the Philippines. They are also melted in to Philippines already. No emotional baggage and hate. <br /><br />Attilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06669976067539551920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-46727305091575259212012-11-12T18:51:24.372+08:002012-11-12T18:51:24.372+08:00FYI
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Multimedia: ...FYI<br /><br />ABS CBN NEWS ONLINE <br />Frontpage: <br />Multimedia: 6 Signs that PH is turning Korean<br /><br />He he he<br /><br />Johnny LinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-51515926396450881462012-11-12T17:35:41.932+08:002012-11-12T17:35:41.932+08:00"bemoan our outcast state, and trouble deaf h..."bemoan our outcast state, and trouble deaf heaven with our bootless cries, and look upon ourselves and curse our fates?"<br /><br />That's downright beautiful.<br /><br />I am in agreement with your points, even including 7.5. My tongue was in my cheek upon the utterance, and you have caused me to bite. It is painful.<br /><br />I am also "all in" on number 5, as the next two blogs will certify.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-12121872619310514722012-11-12T16:24:49.185+08:002012-11-12T16:24:49.185+08:00Good, an agreement.
1. So we are not screwing the...Good, an agreement.<br /><br />1. So we are not screwing the free choice of the people.<br /><br />2. What we want to stop or reduce is the screwing of the people by dynasties, who so far have been given free rein to run - and pillage and massacre - in spite of constitutional prohibition.<br /><br />3. The stoppage or reduction cannot be done by Congress because of vested interest. Nor can it be done by an impoverished and unenlightened electorate.<br /><br />4. What other options are there?<br /><br />4.1 An executive order that will define what constitutes a dynasty? The order can be brought to the Supreme Court to determine its constitutionality. Verdict: unlikely.<br /><br />4.2 A people's initiative. Verdict: unlikely.<br /><br />4.3 Revolution. Verdict: unlikely.<br /><br />4.4 An Act of God. Verdit: wishful thinking.<br /><br />5. Shall we then, to contradict yesterday's call and to paraphrase The Bard, "bemoan our outcast state, and trouble deaf heaven with our bootless cries, and look upon ourselves and curse our fates?"<br /><br />6. I, for one, am sorely tempted.<br /><br />7. The Filipino is contemptible.<br /><br />7.1 Widely-read columnists defending dynasties. Only PDI's Neal Cruz has consistently vented his frustration.<br /><br />7.2 Alan Cayetano claiming he's a good dynast but not subjecting Sotto to disciplinary action.<br /><br />7.3 Jejomar Binay, vice-president and Ken-doll handler extraordinaire, not believing in prohibiting dynasties and not upholding the Constitution.<br /><br />7.4 The CBCP holding a pro-life conference in Cebu with an impeached justice, a martial law oppressor and a superstitious congresswoman as leading speakers. Where is the humility of Cardinal-designate Tagle?<br /><br />7.5 If Attila is a trouble-maker, today I stand beside Mariano.Edgar Loreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363554010485644899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-76344019620214512652012-11-12T16:23:59.526+08:002012-11-12T16:23:59.526+08:00Super foolishness.... by AttilaSuper foolishness.... by AttilaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-21028932541287511052012-11-12T15:21:25.825+08:002012-11-12T15:21:25.825+08:00They could indeed be door openers. It is interesti...They could indeed be door openers. It is interesting to me to see the President's hard-nosed advocacy in jailing Arroyo but soft stance on FOI, although it will do more to clean up illicit acts. If the details are not too devilish. Campaign finance, too. A rat's nest, I would suspect.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-90852323303881707352012-11-12T14:40:06.302+08:002012-11-12T14:40:06.302+08:00Two pending bills may yet usher in what you're...Two pending bills may yet usher in what you're advocating:1. FOI, will blow wide open the entanglements, business operations of these dynasties, and 2. Campaign finance, will incentivize poorer candidates and expose particular lobbies like the INC. But getting from point A to point B of these bills will be "devilish" (as in the devil is in the details).<br /><br />DocBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-55353662255296809332012-11-12T14:19:52.136+08:002012-11-12T14:19:52.136+08:00Where's baycas when you need him most? I think...Where's baycas when you need him most? I think the logic of the court rulings in the US on affirmative action, where opponents are making the same argument you are, if applied to dynasties, would be: (1) damage has been done historically by not having a diverse choice of candidates, (2) special consideration is needed to correct the damage, (3) the fairness is to be found in correcting the damage, (4) special measures to assure diversity are thereby fair.<br /><br />The idea is to open doors that are now closed. The result will be more outsiders at little penalty to existing dynasties. Doing it solely through a wise electorate is a pipe dream, I fear.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-56091055529462027772012-11-12T13:53:11.032+08:002012-11-12T13:53:11.032+08:00@Attila
The Koreans have landed!
He he he
Johnn...@Attila<br /><br />The Koreans have landed!<br /><br />He he he<br /><br />Johnny Lin<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-17992801600645761612012-11-12T13:49:32.093+08:002012-11-12T13:49:32.093+08:00We can give all the opportunities to the minority ...We can give all the opportunities to the minority candidate, lower standards, build a wide entrance door to his candidacy, every blogger contributes 10 pesos to his campaign but all of these are not guarantees for him to win. The other incentive affirmative action s he gets more votes to be counted and the dynasty gets less votes to level the playing field from doleouts (vote buying) by the dynasty member.<br /><br />Affirmative action motive is increasing the opportunity for the opponent of dynasty member thereby preventing political dynasties. In election, qualification is not enough, quantity of votes is deciding factor. What is the fair solution on this problem? <br /><br />Johnny Lin<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-15129830445493133652012-11-12T13:37:27.087+08:002012-11-12T13:37:27.087+08:00Gonzaga mayoral race was just an example. Importan...Gonzaga mayoral race was just an example. Important was the example given on affirmative action to award extra votes to the non dynast opponent. Specific example is Governor Pineda of Pampanga against Fr. ed Panlilio.<br /><br />3.2 Political dynasties are prohibited but there is no guiding rule for implementation. Current bill is in limbo.<br /><br />Above, I commented "Maybe by legislation on degree of consanguinity". <br /><br />Johnny LinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-59274912370358038812012-11-12T13:36:36.860+08:002012-11-12T13:36:36.860+08:00You are a trouble-maker today, I see. America step...You are a trouble-maker today, I see. America stepped aside in 1946 or whenever. I have no trouble with the Philippines being a province of China, or three states in America. I'd much rather, however, she simply stood up on her own. She has a long way to go, based on the National Whining I am hearing today. More on that tomorrow and much more on Wednesday.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-42885431236971836882012-11-12T13:30:56.033+08:002012-11-12T13:30:56.033+08:00I get it, but don't buy it. Your argument that...I get it, but don't buy it. Your argument that we'd end up "lowering standards" is the same objection racists threw up against affirmative action. They were wrong. I'm saying give non-family aspirants a little bit wider door to walk through. The qualified people exist. They just don't have a shot now. Yes, just get them on the ballot, that is fine. If there is also a push for more intelligent choices among the electorate, we will start to see non-family members emerge. Push the edges a little, that's all. Don't take abrupt actions that punish. Push the edges.<br /><br />Your "wise voter" idea is an ideal that is hard to get to without a massive push. Otherwise, it would have succeeded by now. Dynastic rule was known in 1987, the wise voter solution was also an option then.<br /><br />The law of the land is against dynasties. The issue is how to get there.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-41277305615293918012012-11-12T13:02:55.070+08:002012-11-12T13:02:55.070+08:00I believe only the Chinese can change the country ... I believe only the Chinese can change the country for the better. The Philippine economy today is already controlled by the Chinese anyway. Most Filipinos already have a Chinese boss. <br />My wife explained to me that when a Chinese marries a Filipina he will not be pressured for money and support from the wife side of the family. It is understood that Chinese are smart business minded people and they are naturally "kuripot". If a Filipina marries a Kano than he will not be forgiven if he is not generous to the wife's side of the family. The Kano has no choice but go along otherwise the Filipina will come under enormous pressure from her family. <br />There is a double standard: one for the Chinese and one for the Kanos. We are not to be taken seriously and "untang na loob" is not applied to us. We are admired and liked for American products and dollars but we are deeply rejected for being Americans. We are foreigners and we will always will be as vs. to Chinese. I say the Chinese are the future. It is time for the Americans to step aside and give up on the Philippines. Americans are never be taken seriously not matter how hard we tried. We intimidate them. We should just let it go. Attilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06669976067539551920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-11235558465440241942012-11-12T12:45:32.060+08:002012-11-12T12:45:32.060+08:00The mayor of Gonzaga is not a dynast?The mayor of Gonzaga is not a dynast?Edgar Loreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363554010485644899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-45975891178996757242012-11-12T12:43:37.346+08:002012-11-12T12:43:37.346+08:00Let's clear the confusion a bit.
1. There are...Let's clear the confusion a bit.<br /><br />1. There are two freedoms here: the freedom to run and the freedom to vote.<br /><br />2. The freedom to vote is NOT in question.<br /><br />3. The freedom to run is qualified by the Constitution.<br /><br />3.1 Only bona fide candidates can run.<br /><br />3.2 Political dynasties are prohibited.<br /><br />3.3 Therefore not all members of a dynasty are bona fide candidates.<br /><br />3.4 "Bona fide" criteria can include degree of consanguinity, affinity, and time elements such as concurrency and sequentiality.<br /><br />3.5 Coco's suggestion of applying weights to consanguinity may work but may be hard to apply. Would suggest limiting consanguinity to two degrees.Edgar Loreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363554010485644899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-24066204889149891272012-11-12T12:25:29.820+08:002012-11-12T12:25:29.820+08:00@Coco and Joe
As I said "try" is the fi...@Coco and Joe<br /><br />As I said "try" is the first stride. Not different from Coco's gratitude to his parents that the new things he tasted, whether bitter, bland or sweeter. Positively, there was one thing his parents carefully thought of, that the new food was not poisonous.<br /><br />That is precisely what I am advocating, that the measures taken are not poisonous to basic freedom. Comparing ideas: Education(bland), rejecting doleouts(bitter) and wise vote(sweeter)<br /><br />Johnny LinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-14503130532694385102012-11-12T12:07:16.206+08:002012-11-12T12:07:16.206+08:00Joe
Your tenacity is admirable but you don't ...Joe<br /><br />Your tenacity is admirable but you don't get it. <br />Racial affirmative action would not work with Philippine suffrage. The former is quality, the latter is quantity. <br /><br />In affirmative action, acceptance standards were lowered accommodating the minorities. <br />Suffrage, basically, is supposed to be equal, fair and free guaranteed by the constitution but the winner requires numerical superiority. What aspects could be compromised? Anybody can run for office. Nobody prevents them as long as they meet qualifications prescribed by Comelec. Lower the standards of qualifications? But that does not guarantee winning?<br /><br />That environmental protester in Gonzaga Cagayan running against the current mayor is perfect example. The people has to make the decision. With your solution, how are we going to accommodate her thru affirmative action? Give her extra 10,000 votes like the extra points on sports betting or shall we say the relatives of the dynasty are not allowed to vote and all environmental advocates votes are counted five times.<br /><br />These examples are forms of lowering the standards to accommodate non dynasty candidates. <br /><br />Screwing free choice violates the law of the land. In that case, change the government if we have to discard the basic tenet. But that is not solution. There are other means to preserve rights of the people.<br /><br /><br />Johnny Lin<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-23220975953720588972012-11-12T11:47:55.715+08:002012-11-12T11:47:55.715+08:00At the top, I already touched on your "prime ...At the top, I already touched on your "prime the pump". Reiterating, educate electorates, reject doleouts, be wise voters and maybe other tools moving the "piece". <br /><br />At the bottom, i also posted, "decision is tough but that is the price of freedom"<br /><br />"one would not know how deep the lake is until jumping into the lake" <br />Try is the first stride, "we the people", has to make!<br /><br />Johnny LinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-72511636995903845242012-11-12T11:31:51.819+08:002012-11-12T11:31:51.819+08:00The people being punished by not opening up the ca...The people being punished by not opening up the candidate pipeleines are qualified people who can't get into public service, and all citizens of the nation who are damaged by being served by unqualified family members. Real damage is being done. Screw free choice. Help it along a little. Just as America determined that racial fairness needed a little help.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-56524265653855318012012-11-12T11:29:12.281+08:002012-11-12T11:29:12.281+08:00Yeah, what coco said! hehe
COMELEC, as you said, ...Yeah, what coco said! hehe<br /><br />COMELEC, as you said, is charged with vetting candidate qualifications, and this should be done in the quality of the candidate pool as well as the quality of the individual candidate.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-42436515423962898672012-11-12T11:26:14.360+08:002012-11-12T11:26:14.360+08:00The situation requires an elegance of compromise t...The situation requires an elegance of compromise to prevent the harms that either extreme assures, punishment of qualified dynasty people or blocking qualified outsiders. That's what Affirmative Action does, tempers the extremes by moving stepwise toward the goal of open opportunity. Certainly the existing condition is not open, and that, I think, people can agree on.<br /><br />I really like your analytical approach to scoring family clout. Masterful.<br /><br />I'm not clear on your paragraph "But dynasties might be the wrong tree . . ." I'm not sure of the point.<br /><br />How to equalize the money advantage. Boy, you accuse ME of biting off a big subject!! The U.S. is certainly not the place to look for solutions. This needs some home grown solutions. State subsidies may be it; I'm not versed on that.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-68998908043629233312012-11-12T11:21:56.298+08:002012-11-12T11:21:56.298+08:00I fully agree that it is “We the people”, but some...I fully agree that it is “We the people”, but sometimes you need to prime the pump, you need a little push to get over a threshold. <br /><br />Democracy as culture are difficult things to absorb. Sugar is an easy taste, make it sweeter and it sells better, but the best food I know isn’t always sweet, I’m grateful my parents pushed me to eat new things, bitter things too. 100 Peso now is easier to understand than 1000 peso tomorrow. Equality driving economical progress as a better founded theory than the rich will provide jobs, meaning the more rich people the more jobs or bottom line inequality drives progress.<br /><br />Who can force the people to taste democracy? How to explain democracy? As the current situation is the result of the current systems, what part of the system do we have to change to obtain a different result? Are the growing middle class and the netizens powerful enough to achieve this? I would like to share your optimism and sometimes I see very positive signs too.<br />Coconoreply@blogger.com