tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post3743966754330048680..comments2023-06-10T20:22:01.348+08:00Comments on The Society of Honor by Joe America: JoAm: "Nationalize Mining!", exclamation point!The Society of Honorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-90308041980547729022012-07-16T10:24:15.077+08:002012-07-16T10:24:15.077+08:00Yes indeed. Excellent testimony to the need to get...Yes indeed. Excellent testimony to the need to get value for valuables. Thanks.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-50507301868441468662012-07-16T08:05:57.931+08:002012-07-16T08:05:57.931+08:00Just six weeks ago, our Prime Minister Ms Gillard ...Just six weeks ago, our Prime Minister Ms Gillard was talking on this exact subject at a dinner attended by Australia’s mining bosses. This is what she told them:<br /><br />“You don't own the minerals; they [the people of Australia] own it and they deserve their share."<br /><br />She went on to say:<br /><br />"Governments only sell you the right to mine the resource - a resource we hold in trust for a sovereign people."<br /><br />The background to this is increased mining taxes just passed by the upper house, despite one of the most extensive and expensive TV advertising campaigns ever against the tax, funded by the mining industry.<br /><br />A government these days has to be very brave to get between mining companies and their profit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-4017672226467945122012-07-15T11:52:47.114+08:002012-07-15T11:52:47.114+08:00Side note. For some reason your comments are going...Side note. For some reason your comments are going into my spam file, so there is delay between when you file them and when they get published. I have no idea how to correct that. I keep telling the system that you may eat Spam, but you are not one . . .The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-31287465137933386522012-07-15T11:51:12.221+08:002012-07-15T11:51:12.221+08:00Superb concept. Finish the infrastructure before y...Superb concept. Finish the infrastructure before you can dig one shovel of dirt. You should shuffle this notion off onto Mr. Aquino's mining regulators.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-4703605696986375162012-07-15T10:11:15.176+08:002012-07-15T10:11:15.176+08:00From: Island jim-e (aka: The cricket
1. My gra...From: Island jim-e (aka: The cricket<br /><br />1. My grandfather and his father were Italian "re-<br />settlerss" from the "old country" and I recall how<br />the mining families lived, survived, raised a "brood"<br />of children dispite the harshness of the environment,<br />world and lack of mine safety regulations!<br /><br />2. I would have no issue with the PH government<br />(if they did the right thing by the population) to<br />enter into a 51% partnership with the private<br />companies as long as the "big stick" was held by<br />the government. A step-up or step-down master-<br />lease that would be reviewed annually by all <br />parties, a earlyl-out clause in favor of the <br />government in the event of non-performance or bad<br />faith, a quarterly audit by all parites to provide<br />equity, daily inspections and monitoring of the<br />tons moved and pro-rated income (or vat) levied <br />directly into a public trust authority. <br /><br />When leases are put up to bid, each bidder would be<br />required to put up front a non-refundable fee to<br />"enter" into the pre-bid or lottery, All<br />private parties would put up a guarantee certified<br />"ready, capable and able "bond" by a international<br />banking and insurance company.<br /><br />The winner would agree by contract to put equipment in place<br />and become operational within 60 days, and all parties<br />would schedule a set of goals for the year-bonus<br />for "over-production", fines for underproduction, and<br />establish a public access internet site to post notices,<br />information, progress news, provide for a public access<br />comment/complaint or question, etc..<br /><br />I would then hope that ther inspectors of the daily<br />operation and enviornmental monitors would do "due<br />dilligence" to protect the public safety and interests.<br /><br />All infastructure must be put in place before<br />the first load of "product" is loaded out of the <br />operation, to include workers housing, sidewalks,<br />paved (drained) roadbeds, sanitary sewers, fresh<br />water and gray/green water processing and re-processing<br />stations. A mandatory alternative energy system with<br />a emergency back up multi-fuel generator.<br /><br />The government would be mandated to construct a<br />operational fire-police-social service and emergency<br />response center with a heli-pad. A on-site<br />medical center/hospital/clinic and public green-space-<br />community center (free library and computer access)<br />and park.<br /><br />The and only then would feel like "we the people"<br />were getting a "fair shake"! Chirp!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-6654053539327811812012-07-14T05:15:04.666+08:002012-07-14T05:15:04.666+08:00Thanks for the crisp overview, MB, and the referen...Thanks for the crisp overview, MB, and the reference link. Given all the complexities and the polarized views, I'd say the EO does a good job to tread a very delicate center point.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-36152643660389200442012-07-13T20:38:45.599+08:002012-07-13T20:38:45.599+08:00Actually the CBCP is not happy with the EO. It wan...Actually the CBCP is not happy with the EO. It wants a moratorium on its implementation until the AMMB, the alternative mining bill proposed by the CBCP is passed.<br /><br />And the reds are against it because they want mining nationalized. In addition, if you overlay a map identifying NPA concentrations over a map where small mining is rampant you will see an incredible match. The mining EO takes away the right of local pols to grant small scale mining activities that don't fit with national policy on mining vis a vis environment etc<br /><br />The mining industry likes it because it respects existing contracts but it expressed reservations over the provision that says the old "first come first serve" rule will be replaced by competitive bidding.<br /><br />Some environmentalists like the bill because it added quite a number of areas closed to mining but other environmentalists hate it because they want a complete stop to mining.<br /><br />Local government officials are against the EO because their "autonomy" as far as mining permits etc are concerned has been placed under the umbrella of a national approach but other local government officials found solace in the creation of a commission that includes a rep of local gov'ts and a rep from indigenous people.<br /><br />In short, the mining EO is not perfect, it does not please everybody but it is a move away from the status quo that is universally condemned by both pro and anti mining groups. Besides the EO is a positive stop-gap while the nation waits for Congress to pass a proper mining bill.<br /><br />Anyway, here's a pretty good analysis of the EO: http://www.rappler.com/thought-leaders/8385-mining-e-o-not-perfect,-but-very-goodmanuelbuencaminonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-803324723456598952012-07-13T15:27:09.414+08:002012-07-13T15:27:09.414+08:00Yeah man,
Some crazy American calls it "You ...Yeah man,<br /><br />Some crazy American calls it "You are in dip shit, bro; better get your shit together or else...."<br /><br />Its JackAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-45377486946354848862012-07-13T13:40:49.870+08:002012-07-13T13:40:49.870+08:00From: The Cricket (aka: "old fart"!)
1....From: The Cricket (aka: "old fart"!)<br /><br />1. Wonderful essay and suggestion...but too<br />late to do much if any good as the "cat is<br />already out of the bag"...roaming the island<br />streets and devouring every innocent!<br /><br />2. How do I know you might ask! From my<br />rocking chair I see the "fruits/results" each<br />day on the streets, in the media, and listening to my wife! When I was growing up my mother and<br />grandmother taught me how to tell what fruits<br />were ready for pickin, good, had bad taste, rotten...freezer burnt! The PH island rulers<br />have provided bad fruit, are providing bad <br />fruit, and if they keep doing it no one will<br />remain alive...not even the tourists!<br /><br />3. Illustration/example for your consideration--go to "blogwatch.TV/citizens media...look for the topic of Mining --E079/Noynoys Ghost writers.<br /><br />See: Killer Dams #1 and #2--i.e. irriversable<br />damage to Boac River/Marindaguje, and Tampakan Dam....then become very sad, very, very sad!<br />The old saying "a day late...a dollar short...."<br />could possibly apply here!<br /><br />Why: Pick--<br />a. Church misjudgement/mis-management...<br />b. Government misjudgement/mis-management...<br />c. Idots for educators<br />d. Islanders who fled the islands...<br />e. Too many cooks spoil the dinner!<br />f. Vultures/vampires....and ghosties!<br />g. Greasie crooks/public officials....<br />f. ......(you can fill in the rest as I<br />am getting depressed by the second!).<br /><br />Soooo sorry to be soooo late, so honest,<br />soooo serious,etc....! <br /><br />The cure/solution: As our national government<br />has abdicated its sworn reponsibilitiy to serve<br />and protect the public...then they need to go<br />one way or another...but just go! My wife<br />the "island queen" states that she would feel<br />much better if one day soon a earthquake hit<br />the public buildings and sent every "jerk" to<br />hell....as they have ruined her memories of<br />a wonderful island world/childhood and <br />livelyhood for her family!<br /><br />Okay...so I have got to the point where I<br />scared myself into another bottle of SMB...<br />Wishing for a "yellow brick road"....!<br /><br />Chirp!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com