tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post3164939291350742198..comments2023-06-10T20:22:01.348+08:00Comments on The Society of Honor by Joe America: Johnny and the Drama TriangleThe Society of Honorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-58592398036817269422012-11-07T09:03:35.661+08:002012-11-07T09:03:35.661+08:00Sorry about that Cha.
DocBSorry about that Cha. <br /><br />DocBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-22968356608793675052012-11-07T08:23:17.548+08:002012-11-07T08:23:17.548+08:00I like the bilingual juxtaposition. "Apay&qu...I like the bilingual juxtaposition. "Apay" in Ilocano - which happens to be Enrile's mother tongue - translates to "Why".Edgar Loreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363554010485644899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-84874307191055312282012-11-07T06:38:16.644+08:002012-11-07T06:38:16.644+08:00Oh I love Les Miserables.
And yes, it's defi...Oh I love Les Miserables. <br /><br />And yes, it's definitely Javert.<br /><br />"I am reaching but I fall. And the night is closing in. And I stare into the void. To the whirlpool of my sin."Chanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-79770855466586336782012-11-06T23:18:29.674+08:002012-11-06T23:18:29.674+08:00From your account it looks like JPE would like to ...From your account it looks like JPE would like to cast himself as Jean Valjean when obviously he's just Javert with a law degree.<br /><br />DocBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-42281457773687016942012-11-06T23:16:04.797+08:002012-11-06T23:16:04.797+08:00Ayeeh, DocB. Didn't know who Cuntapay is. Almo...Ayeeh, DocB. Didn't know who Cuntapay is. Almost fell off the chair laughing at the image that came out in my google search. Chanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-25598508622982111742012-11-06T22:48:25.541+08:002012-11-06T22:48:25.541+08:00If JPE's memoir were made into a movie, who...If JPE's memoir were made into a movie, who's a good actor to play JPE? Sotto's out, of course. Right now, I'm thinking Lilia Cuntapay.<br /><br />DocBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-39922302511930185672012-11-06T22:19:56.355+08:002012-11-06T22:19:56.355+08:00Both score poorly on human rights but revenge for ...Both score poorly on human rights but revenge for past hurts may have gotten the better of JPE. LKY may appear classy in comparison. <br /><br />DocBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-43383742130818047702012-11-06T22:10:44.865+08:002012-11-06T22:10:44.865+08:00JPE's book should have been titled Revenge, A ...JPE's book should have been titled Revenge, A Memoir.<br /><br />DocBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-40053761500823541112012-11-06T20:26:59.243+08:002012-11-06T20:26:59.243+08:00If you'll ask me, the only thing accurate in E...If you'll ask me, the only thing accurate in Enrile's memoir is that he is a bastard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-43855653681667221102012-11-06T20:23:56.652+08:002012-11-06T20:23:56.652+08:00Simply put, Enrile is just a hurt little boy trapp...Simply put, Enrile is just a hurt little boy trapped in an old man's body. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-62379030725632081042012-11-06T20:21:44.689+08:002012-11-06T20:21:44.689+08:00JPE = LKY? Are you nuts?
Lee Kwan Yew would never...JPE = LKY? Are you nuts?<br /><br />Lee Kwan Yew would never go, "I was abandoned/bullied/abused before, so I'll bully/abandon/abuse others now." He's too intelligent, mature and classy for that kind of thinking. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-1774244856969385462012-11-06T16:13:45.900+08:002012-11-06T16:13:45.900+08:00Now you've got me intrigued.Now you've got me intrigued.Edgar Loreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363554010485644899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-63661831414386137312012-11-06T15:11:51.055+08:002012-11-06T15:11:51.055+08:00Well, and Joe makes three. At the beginning, it wa...Well, and Joe makes three. At the beginning, it was disjointed and I kept asking, what is this REALLY about? At the end, I said, "Wow, I wasn't expecting that." Well worth reading, beginning to end, rather like hiking a mountain is not the same as coasting downhill.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-88721896900767868782012-11-06T15:03:10.530+08:002012-11-06T15:03:10.530+08:00I read the book as well. There is a lot I didn'...I read the book as well. There is a lot I didn't like about it, too. i especially hated the corny jokes that he kept injecting into the pages but were not even relevant to the story. (but isn't that just so pinoy? Hehe). What I do like about the book, I don't want to share now because it might ruin it for Ed. For now, I'll just say that Syjuco proves himself a clever writer. <br /><br />I think Syjuco went for technique with this project, the story itself seems secondary.<br /><br /><br />Chanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-81007066203418188072012-11-06T09:24:16.461+08:002012-11-06T09:24:16.461+08:00DocB,
You're just like me or vice-versa. I g...DocB,<br /><br />You're just like me or vice-versa. I go for the juicy parts. I haven't had the chance to read Javellana; I will if I get the chance. Thanks.Edgar Loreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363554010485644899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-61277485702755345422012-11-06T07:38:06.031+08:002012-11-06T07:38:06.031+08:00Edgar,
I read Syjuco's Illustrado 2 year'...Edgar, <br /><br />I read Syjuco's Illustrado 2 year's ago, I think, and I cannot remember much about it except for the lovemaking scene inside the car and flooding all around. No resonance for me, no sympathy for the protagonist. I don't care. I just read it because a Pinoy won an international writer's prize (something to be proud of any way) and because I wanted to know what the hell was the fuss about. About the only Pinoy novel (including Sionil-Jose and Rizal) that moved me in a melodramatic and heartbreaking way (hey, I was in high school) was Javellana's Without Seeing the Dawn. Rather like an FPJ or a Rudy Fernandez's starrer where the hero dies in the end. I also like Rizal' s words made a title-I die without seeing the dawn brighten over my native land but you who have it too see welcome it and forget not those who have fallen over the night.<br /><br />DocBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-10286529535363246242012-11-06T07:00:27.163+08:002012-11-06T07:00:27.163+08:00Got it, thanks. I especially like that it focuses ...Got it, thanks. I especially like that it focuses on children. The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-49594521052772943122012-11-06T06:51:40.443+08:002012-11-06T06:51:40.443+08:00Joe,
It's energizing to be argumentative in t...Joe,<br /><br />It's energizing to be argumentative in the morning. Then we can skip the Kickapoo Joy Juice or the Espresso Butt!Edgar Loreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363554010485644899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-62765142108362957282012-11-06T06:45:01.682+08:002012-11-06T06:45:01.682+08:00Cha,
Sorry, on Syjuco, I haven't read his boo...Cha,<br /><br />Sorry, on Syjuco, I haven't read his book except for the first paragraph. A friend brought the book with him on a visit and asked me what my opinion was. This was late last year. As I recall, we had two major points of criticism:<br /><br />1. The choice of words was jarring. I recall the use of "terminus" instead of "death", and there was an adjective or adverb describing the scene or the death itself where we thought that something like "unremarkable" might be better. The use of "terminus" seemed show-offy, pretentious.<br /><br />2. The logic left something to be desired. Syjuco uses the adjective "controversial" to describe an unpublished book. How can that be?<br /><br />My friend had read a good portion of the book and had underlined many passages on many pages that seemed questionable in his eyes. He even had stickers on some pages. I think he was reading with a very critical eye and was no longer able to suspend disbelief. Incidentally, my friend did not like Hosseini's "A Thousand Splendid Suns" which I did.<br /><br />I would have to read the book myself to form a better opinion, but you are right in that there is at least one Filipino in the modern generation that has produced a book. Yay.<br /> <br />As a reader, I was contemporaneous with such writers as N.V.M. Gonzalez, F. Sionil Jose, Bienvenido Santos, Kerima Polotan Tuvera and A.G. Uranza. I have not read them extensively but, of what I have, I cannot recall being thrilled. Admittedly, I was young and green and did not have the proper faculties. The one exception was Nick Joaquin. Not his novels, but more his Free Press articles.Edgar Loreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363554010485644899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-30222993392159825912012-11-06T06:35:50.552+08:002012-11-06T06:35:50.552+08:00Just a final thought, you may want to add their bl...Just a final thought, you may want to add their blog to the Philippine Blog Center, here's the address:<br /><br />http://lookingforjuan.blogspot.com.au/Chanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-74872437862531632562012-11-06T06:23:18.671+08:002012-11-06T06:23:18.671+08:00Joe,
Check out CANVAS also (Center for Art, New V...Joe,<br /><br />Check out CANVAS also (Center for Art, New Ventures and Sustanaible Development). They're doing a pretty unique job promoting Philippine art and culture. They're marryIng art and children's literature (starting them young) through a storywriting contest called the Romeo Forbes Children's Literature Initiative. There's also the Looking for Juan program where local artists get to have their say on social issues through their art. I think they have the collection in their website, Chanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-38819938846286997552012-11-06T06:07:51.595+08:002012-11-06T06:07:51.595+08:00Ed, I woke up this morning with a recollection. Co...Ed, I woke up this morning with a recollection. Cory Aquino was actually nominated for the Nobel in 1986. Did a google check and found out she lost to Ellie Wiesel, the holocaust survivor. Just like with the Oscars, the holocaust story always gets the awards. <br /><br />Mariano, you just made my day. Santissima!Chanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-89731321906977375242012-11-06T06:07:40.274+08:002012-11-06T06:07:40.274+08:00Edgar, not to be argumentative so early in the mor...Edgar, not to be argumentative so early in the morning, but I think there are a good number of Filipino artistic connoisseurs, such as writer Syjuco (who I think is going into filmmaking now) or artist Malang (new to me, and whose work I really enjoy) or everyday people like Ellen Tordesillas (who comments regularly about the arts) and brianitus (who regularly comments here and enjoys cooking and cuisine). Or the writers such as yourself (who have the aptitude to match with anybody in the world, but not the platform or the fame).<br /><br />Yes, the arts core is small (few read my literature blogs) but that is because schools fail, not because the natural talent does not exist.<br /><br />Science . . . I'll leave to others to argue.<br /><br />Indeed, President Aquino deserves global peace recognition if the bare Mindanao agreement gets some peaceful meat on it.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-7179966173477944852012-11-06T05:39:27.248+08:002012-11-06T05:39:27.248+08:00Mariano, appreciate your wit!
1. This morning I w...Mariano, appreciate your wit!<br /><br />1. This morning I woke up with two things: a question and a prediction.<br /><br />2. The question was: Are Filipinos connoisseurs in anything?<br /><br />2.1 The only answer I could think of was that abusive priest who had this obscene collection of ivory images.<br /><br />2.2 The exception in mind was a close friend of mine, a professor of the humanities, who was a true connoisseur of classical music and opera.<br /><br />2.3 We are mere consumers, not producers, of what we think are the fine things in life. And what we think are fine are mostly what experts tell us are fine. We do not know for ourselves that they are fine. We have no true appreciation of fine things for their intrinsic beauty. Our pride rests not in our discernment of fineness but more in our possession of it. (Present company excepted.)<br /><br />3. The prediction was: If ever a Filipino wins a Nobel, it would be, not the scientific, cultural or artistic categories, but the Peace prize. I would be happy to be proved wrong. A possibility: PNoy for making peace with the Muslims.Edgar Loreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13363554010485644899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-10596494603232097352012-11-05T22:53:45.070+08:002012-11-05T22:53:45.070+08:00Edgar, we may not have Nobel prize fighters but we...Edgar, we may not have Nobel prize fighters but we do have two saints ! :) And many more in the making the way Filipinos are struggling and sacrificing like all the saints. There will be 93,000,000 saints before the end of the world.Mariano Renatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00920187760151863841noreply@blogger.com