tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post2875592899613836828..comments2023-06-10T20:22:01.348+08:00Comments on The Society of Honor by Joe America: The Filipino Soul: Missing the Delta DriveThe Society of Honorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-9355225206177604292012-03-04T17:32:59.154+08:002012-03-04T17:32:59.154+08:00Ah, sharing my blessings. Yes, let's all move ...Ah, sharing my blessings. Yes, let's all move to the commune and share everything. Forget the concepts of self-responsibility entirely, or being productive.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-8035269302964835272012-03-04T14:06:09.727+08:002012-03-04T14:06:09.727+08:00You are able to draw the line but they are not! M...You are able to draw the line but they are not! Many of them also feel that it is OK to steal from you as it is just another form of "sharing your blessings" with them. A form of communism again. Suze Orman wasted her time there.Attilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06669976067539551920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-64427863072895511772012-03-04T08:26:17.098+08:002012-03-04T08:26:17.098+08:00My wife is called "selfish" by her frien...My wife is called "selfish" by her friends, her family, the neighbors, and everyone else who has asked for money and been declined. She is put in that thankless position because I decided I had to draw a line as to whom I was willing to support. For without that line, I would end up supporting the entire Philippines, and would have nothing in savings for my family.<br /><br />The Filipino notion that "your money is mine because you have some" is bizarre to those of us who earned what we have. I always wonder, "why is my money yours?"<br /><br />I give generously to those who earn it in some way. But not to those who feel they have an inherent claim to my money.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-59250627609682460992012-03-04T03:02:00.698+08:002012-03-04T03:02:00.698+08:00AJ
I agree with you: the Filipinos tend to be na...AJ <br />I agree with you: the Filipinos tend to be naturally communist. Suze Orman was in Manila giving lectures to Filipinos about how to handle money. I was thinking that in a society where better earners have to "share" their blessings, they have little choice but support the extended family. It turns them to slaves. The money will never be enough. They have to support sisters brothers nieces nephews than other family members and the list goes on and on and on according to the emergency ranking. It is not a value to keep it for themselves for a home or for the future or just for rainy days. They would be called heartless, selfish and would anger the family and even loose face if they would cut back on the support. It would go against their own moral values also. Strange form of communism.Attilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06669976067539551920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-48789609331750266822012-03-03T13:46:24.676+08:002012-03-03T13:46:24.676+08:00@Brianitus:
That's right. I've actually ma...@Brianitus:<br />That's right. I've actually made that decision once I got out of college a few years ago and have never been happier.AJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18330612535269643094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-31093404560950270462012-03-03T12:12:39.252+08:002012-03-03T12:12:39.252+08:00Then again, one can actually CHOOSE not to mind wh...Then again, one can actually CHOOSE not to mind what the other say about what you do. As long as you're grounded on ethics and morals, I don't think you're bound to hurt anyone. <br /><br />What you said also reeks of insecurity. Do we have to get everyone's nod? I certainly hope not.<br /><br />Why are Pinoys naturally lazy? Too little reward for hard work tends to kill industriousness. I think that's covered in economics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-7205756527924948912012-03-03T11:58:04.618+08:002012-03-03T11:58:04.618+08:00Oh yeah, another thing, Filipinos tend to be natur...Oh yeah, another thing, Filipinos tend to be naturally communist.<br /><br />An extreme version of displaying empathy perhaps?<br />You have to be at the same level as everyone, and they make you feel guilty if you do something to increase your status (and forget to share the rewards).<br /><br />Maybe that natural tendency makes us all lazy, why work when everyone else is going to mooch off of you. Once everyone starts thinking that way, nothing happens and nothing gets done.AJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18330612535269643094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-44346001642242431942012-03-03T11:42:45.312+08:002012-03-03T11:42:45.312+08:00@Joe: Just to clarify, I meant that as a Filipino....@Joe: Just to clarify, I meant that as a Filipino.<br />There's always a reason to discriminate against anyone, maybe part of the culture of putting down others to bring yourself up.<br /><br />There're positive stereotypes though, for example, those who are Chinese or part Chinese are said to be good in Math. I actually find that true, since the schools with the best Math programs are Chinese schools.<br /><br />And another thing about Chinese stereotypes here, is that they always think about monetary value when buying stuff. This is partly true for some, since parents taught us to have something like a pros/cons list before doing anything related to money. We just got used to having that list on the top of our head that we use it even in the smallest purchases (except food though :D)AJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18330612535269643094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-49402410270661572052012-03-03T11:36:41.755+08:002012-03-03T11:36:41.755+08:00Weak delta drive? You mean, this country tends to ...Weak delta drive? You mean, this country tends to talk about its problems like there's no tomorrow. That's just the catch. It's all talk.<br /><br />Anyway, values schmalues. Isn't it just because people here are naturally lazy or scared shitless when it comes to solving problems. Too many people wait for someone to do something for them. In Pinoy terms, TAMAD at DUWAG.<br /><br />Good morning, Joe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-64414931670601952182012-03-03T09:56:34.268+08:002012-03-03T09:56:34.268+08:00PF, rants are good, aren't they? I enjoyed you...PF, rants are good, aren't they? I enjoyed yours!The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-79351074766461233212012-03-03T09:54:39.642+08:002012-03-03T09:54:39.642+08:00AJ, Yes, we do struggle to live up to the ideal o...AJ, Yes, we do struggle to live up to the ideal of not being racist. I enjoy the James Clavell books Shogun and Tai-Pan in part because they present the racism in non-judgmental terms. It is just the way people are, to condemn those who are different. The Chinese, the Japanese, the British, the Portuguese . . . all had their racist views of those who looked and behaved differently. It is an exceptional person who can rise above the need to condemn difference, but, rather, appreciate it. It is something to strive for.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-34394639731771709792012-03-03T08:39:13.425+08:002012-03-03T08:39:13.425+08:00They claim the Church's power is weakening, bu...They claim the Church's power is weakening, but ever since the RH Bill brouhaha, I kind of doubt it. The Church screwed us up pretty bad. I'm starting to agree with Carlin and Doug Stanhope on this one.<br /><br />Now to be fair, having been around parts of Europe and Asia, Chinese tend to have a fairly racist bent against Africans. In Paris, for instance. A local Chinese friend wouldn't let me go to Montmarte because "it's very dangerous place" filled with 'unsavory characters'. Websites like Chinasmack.com (A peak into China's gross corruption and problems) reveal some unflattering commentary about other races.<br /><br />I also picked up a news report in South Korea, when a Kenyan entered a supermarket and EVERY CUSTOMER LEFT or stared uncomfortably long. Children were CRYING and mothers were shielding them away from her. The Kenya, obviously, was distraught.<br /><br />I'm also aware of the culture shock many westerners feel when they work in Japan.<br /><br />Filipinos AREN'T any better DESPITE our "Catholic heritage" and "friendly and hospitable" marketing tripe. I've seen horrifying incidents in airports. I've seen RACIST SKITS on TV. Entire generations of children are taught that Indians are "evil" and "will take your money". <br /><br />The "actress" that did the FHM cover doesn't claim to understand the fuss over "blackface". I'm pretty sure nobody on the streets even knows what the Civil Rights movement was or cares about knowing it. (despite free access through the internet)<br /><br />Isn't it strange that all the actor/models we look up to or idolize are products of cross-breeding?<br /><br />Oh well, rant over. I'm going to start worshiping Gaia now.<br /><br />-patrioticflipAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-74101490446040185452012-03-03T06:09:57.135+08:002012-03-03T06:09:57.135+08:00ahh my, upside down values!ahh my, upside down values!The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-9652865366826077252012-03-03T01:17:18.125+08:002012-03-03T01:17:18.125+08:00Related to lack of the drive to improve our lives,...Related to lack of the drive to improve our lives, I think the part of the culture causes this.<br /><br />Some insults related to having a delta drive:<br /><br />"Ambisyoso/Ambisyosa" - Ambitious (Yes, that's an insult)<br />"Reklamador" - Whiny but this will be used even if the one who complains is correct<br />"Maarte" - Touchy/A drama queen similar to Reklamador, one can be branded as such, even if correct (such as when you order a burger without onions and they still put a slice in).<br /><br />Those are just the ones from the top of my head. I think there are more. Bottom line, wanting things to be better, be done better, or more effective is not a good trait. A good trait is to be contented of your current situation, no matter how bad it is, and believe that God does things for a reason.AJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18330612535269643094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-65858538323955899212012-03-03T00:49:51.254+08:002012-03-03T00:49:51.254+08:00Related to racism, I find ourselves racist to ever...Related to racism, I find ourselves racist to everyone.<br />To most of us, whites are like the office boss, we do our best to impress them but talk crap behind their back.<br /><br />Blacks are ugly because, well, of their skin color.<br /><br />Japanese are "sakang" or bow-legged and are judged often as evil (WWII reasons)<br /><br />Chinese range from frugal to just plain cheap (though quite true)<br /><br />Koreans are rude and evil (though they are heartthrobs to our teens/teens at heart)<br /><br />Indians and Arabs are classified under a single group, smelly.<br /><br />And of course, Filipinos are inferior to everyone else but Africans (Yeah, there's something about the dark skin that Filipino's hate)AJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18330612535269643094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-370272271498985982012-03-02T17:36:44.563+08:002012-03-02T17:36:44.563+08:00PF, thank you. I picked up the associative pride d...PF, thank you. I picked up the associative pride definition from another astute observer of the Philippines, here in the comment section. It just makes so much sense. The thing about the moral disconnect is that the Catholic Church will claim NO responsibility for conditions in the Philippines. Zero. What brilliant escape artists these priests are.<br /><br />I have not seen the cover. I think the racism here tends to be weird, favoring whites, and otherwise fairly benign. It is rather like the Chinese call us Red Haired Devils, and the Japanese sneer inwardly at the crude whities. It will go away with cross-breeding and better education.The Society of Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02536906267332687130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4855856123871700301.post-63976193668916805022012-03-02T15:35:31.326+08:002012-03-02T15:35:31.326+08:00Hey Joe,
Awesome post, as usual. What doesn't...Hey Joe,<br /><br />Awesome post, as usual. What doesn't make sense to me though is we pride ourselves a CATHOLIC nation. The only one in Asia, in fact. We got sects and cults up the wazoo here, meaning people are extremely religious and possibly spiritual. And yet... uh... we happen to be as morally bankrupt as any secular nation. WTF? <br /><br />By the way, my relative congratulated you in coining the term 'associative pride'.<br /><br />Also, any opinions on the blatantly racist Filipino FHM cover? -patrioticflipAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com